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PostSubject: Islam in Obama's America 2016 VS Islam in Jefferson's America 1770's.    17/04/17, 11:46 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Islam in Obama's America 2016 VS Islam in Jefferson's America 1770's.    19/04/17, 03:53 am


I have to re listen to this again as I found it not so easy to follow.

I did get the gist of it though and you know what came to mind again after watching this video?

How scary is it and how dangerous; when we have leaders that use a (mis)interpretation and broadcast that to so many!

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PostSubject: Re: Islam in Obama's America 2016 VS Islam in Jefferson's America 1770's.    19/04/17, 10:30 am

He is an ex-muslim and has a great understanding of the politics of it.  He is very interesting to listen too.  I put a link to his channel in the sidebar too.

Well, we all know that there have been questions about Obama by the American people since the beginning.

We know that in Islam part of their Qur'an is to teach the art of deceit.  To lie, lie, lie, if it benefits Islam.  In the Qur'an it's said that Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.  Who do the Christians say is the greatest of all deceivers?  Satan!

So is Obama still a Muslim I ask.  He is from Muslim parents and he says he is a Christian, but quite honestly if you look at the changes he caused in America during his terms of office, they weren't very Christian, in fact, the complete opposite.

I think the biggest self harm we are doing to ourselves in the west is secularism.  We are even allowing our churches and cathedrals to have other religion's services in them.  Eventually this will become the norm and Christian churches will no longer be Christian churches but buildings for all religious meetings.

We have taken Christianity out of our schools, out of the work place, and even virtually made the outward showing of Christianity by individual people illegal.

There has been a lorry driver that was forced to take a cross down that was hanging in his cab because it might upset the people he delivers to.

There was a small private hotel owned by Christians, that has now gone out of business because one of their terms was that unmarried people did not share a room.  A couple of gays deliberately booked a room to cause a massive legal battle that their rules were sexist and against Gays.  That legal battle drained the Christians of money that they lost their hotel and home.

Our laws protecting minorities are bringing the west down.  Our laws were layed down from Christianity, from the teachings of the Bible and Christ.  Our laws kept us safe, moral and decent towards each other.  But now that we are so secular our countries have become dangerous, immoral, and foul.

There comes a time when a country becomes so tolerant that it becomes as immoral as Sodom and Gomorrah.

Racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and all the other isms and phobias we are accused of if we dare to disagree in any shape or form are all created to control us.

Everyone should be honest with themselves and openly say what they believe.

I don't agree with gay marriage.  I think it's the most ridiculous law that has ever been passed.  Marriage has always meant a joining of a man and a woman.  That doesn't mean I am homophobic.  I couldn't care less what sexuality people are.  It's their life and it's not for me to judge.  But, according to popularism I am against gays because I believe the Biblical term for marriage is man and woman.

I don't agree that we should be entertaining a third toilet in our schools and official buildings for mixed gender.  If you have a penis use the men's, if you have a vagina, use the ladies, it's as simple as that.  But then I am accused of bigotry against transgenders.  That's bull shit.  Once again I couldn't care less if someone wants to change their sex.

If people want to come into this country and live I don't care as long as they integrate and we aren't expected to change our laws to suit their culture.  If they want to live under their culture let them stay in their own countries.  I don't care if people are black, white or sky blue pink.  Neither do I care what religion they are, they could worship the sun and the moon for all I care, but don't expect us to change our own society to suit them.  But that seemingly makes me racist.

Xenophobic??  You bloody bet I am.  By definition a phobia is a fear.  Am I fearful of Islam?  I'm sodding terrified. It is not a hate crime to be phobic in any shape or form.

I never used to believe in satan, but if satan is the personification of evil then the Islamic Allah is satan and Muhammad was one of the Anti-Christs foretold to come after the birth of Jesus.  Joking aside here, and I might be sounding a bit dramatic, but if Allah is satan then surely we should all be terrified.

Does believing this make me hate all Muslims?  No of course it doesn't.  One can hate an ideology without hating the people.  In actual fact I truly feel so sorry for Muslims.  100s of thousands of them a year are secretly converting to Christianity at the risk of death.  When I say Christianity, I don't mean Catholicism, Anglicanism, or any of the other Christian "religions".  They are simply accepting that Christ was the Son of God or rather God in human form and they are now living as Christ preached.  Instead of hating everyone that isn't of their own form of Islam they are now loving everyone  Instead of believing all that aren't Muslim are fair game for death, mutilation, slavery and rape, they now know how wrong that all is.  Instead of believing that Mohammad was the last prophet, they now believe that he was a false prophet and so on.

True Christianity is not a religion.  All religions are man made dogma.  Christianity is simply believing that Jesus was the Son of God and was God in human form and that he did die on the cross for our sins and was resurrected on the third day.  It's as simple as that.

Christianity is not incense and worshiping idols and images of Mary and Jesus on the cross as the Catholics do.  It's not the forcing of giving money to the church or even going to church on a Sunday.  In fact Christ said that anyone that forces you to give through guilt or embarrassment is committing a sin.  Tythes should be given freely and from the heart to the poor, not the bloody church.

In fact gentiles, as we are, were never told to give a tythe of 10%.  God told the Israelites to give 10% of their harvested food to the Ethiopians because the Ethiopians at that time had no land of their own and therefore could not feed themselves.  Nowadays many churches say one should give 10% of their money to the church.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say give money to the church.

If we want to tythe then go to the local supermarket and put extra goods in your basket when buying for yourself and leave them in the box at the back of the shop to be given to the poor.  Or buy a sandwich for a beggar or such.  Don't give money to the churches.

Christianity is getting weaker in the west because people simply can no longer believe in the dogma of the church, which I totally agree with, but if true Christianity became stronger then Islam would become weaker.

We are allowing Islam to become strong in our own countries, because Christianity is so weak that there is no one to fight against our governments that are deliberately brain washing our kids into popularism.

Christianity is now a dirty word, something to be laughed at and jeered at.  If you say you are a Christian then you are instantly thought to be a fanatic.   Chrisianity in Christian countries is now going underground.  How awful is that.  That people are worried about saying proudly "I am a Christian" or simply saying I believe in Christ, or talking about their beliefs for fear of being jeered at, thought strange, or even worse, fear of being taken to court for offending another persons religion or of sticking to your principles of the teaching of Jesus.

I so dread what this country is going to be like for my Great Grandchildren.
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PostSubject: Re: Islam in Obama's America 2016 VS Islam in Jefferson's America 1770's.    19/04/17, 07:28 pm


Wowoooo Sandy when you are on a roll you are on a roll!

My religion is Love and Peace; starting with love and the love of people, animals and nature in general.

Personally I don't even want to go into all this religious mambo jumbo to be honest because at the end of the day each and every different religious group claims to be the true, first or right one etc.


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Racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and all the other isms and phobias we are accused of if we dare to disagree in any shape or form are all created to control us.


I do agree with your statement that it is all about control indeed. Then there are all the hidden agenda's, carefully masterminded with the help of the media and the select groups that control the media.
We are merely the puppets, pulled along the strings by a small, but dangerous group of people trying to control the masses.


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I don't agree with gay marriage.  I think it's the most ridiculous law that has ever been passed.  Marriage has always meant a joining of a man and a woman.  That doesn't mean I am homophobic.  I couldn't care less what sexuality people are.  It's their life and it's not for me to judge.  But, according to popularism I am against gays because I believe the Biblical term for marriage is man and woman.

I actually think that it's up to each individual as to if or whom they want to marry! The laws surrounding gay marriage are based on bloody religion! Leave religion out of it and just allow 2 people to get married in a registry office! That legal marriage then helps 2 people sort out their affairs legally ... period!

You know in my eyes this whole religious mambo jumbo has gone way too far for far too long! And sadly what is evident the most, is that after centuries nothing has really been resolved in regards to people getting along better. If anything people are more divided now then they ever where.

What ALL religious teachings have failed to do, is teaching that Love is the ultimate way of living. Love of your fellow humans, love of the animals and love of nature and it's resources!

Instead what we witness more and more, is greed and the love of power and the love of dominance in the world!

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PostSubject: Re: Islam in Obama's America 2016 VS Islam in Jefferson's America 1770's.    23/04/17, 06:55 pm

The trouble is that there is a difference between religion and a belief in God.

Yet, religion has had it's part to play in keeping order in what otherwise would have been a chaotic world.  Without Christianity in the west, and I (emphatically) do not mean Catholicism with their greed and the worshiping of idols such as the saints and Mary.  But I do mean the basic beliefs of loving everyone and all being equal, of not killing or thieving or lying, of having one man to one woman, etc. and I don't think any of that is mumbo jumbo, do you?

Basic Christian beliefs are so far away from religion that it's laughable.  What did Christ teach that is different from what you are saying you believe in Martha.  You are actually living the words of Christ. And if you and others of us are living the words of Christ then isn't it time we started shouting about it?

It seems now that society is turning away from all that.  Criminals get light sentences because the do gooders are soft.  Pornography is in our shops and on our tele.  It's shouted out about it being ok for men to sleep with men and women to sleep with women, which is fine, as I said I'm not against anyone that's gay, but do we really want that taught as normal in our schools to young juniors, simply because a zero point something percentage of them might be gay?  It's the parents job to see them through something like that.  Do hetrosexuals shout out about not being gay?  Why are minorities becoming so important that the majority have to suffer with the new laws that are being brought out.  We are so tolerant now of the minorities that we are intolerant of the majorities rights.

I also don't think now, in particular, is when we should be ignoring religion.  Now isn't the time to turn our backs on religion and let the religious get on with it.  I think that now it's time to think hard and talk hard, and shout out about religion.  Even if we are called racist if we do.  Or more and more of our laws will slowly be changed and get further away from the original good and closer to evil.

You must believe in a God Martha or you wouldn't be able to believe in spirit as you do.  God is the ultimate spirit and all goodness.  God hates religion as much as we do, which is why we can't ignore it.  It really is about time we shouted out for our beliefs don't you think.

Footnote:  If marriage is simply a creation of religion then surely instead of changing the law to allow gays to use the same service and rights of a man/woman marriage they should have made a law to remove marriage completely.

One shouldn't have it both ways.  Either marriage is due to religion then it should be between man and woman.  Or marriage is a civil affair and the church should be totally removed from it and only allow marriage as a civil affair for all.

I believe that marriage should have been kept between man and woman, and instead a civil union between gays should have been created that allowed them the same legal rights as a marriage between man and woman.  Allowing marriage between gays is making a totally mockery of Chrisitianity, yet we aren't allowed to make a mockery of any other religion.

It's all making them strong and us weak.

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