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PostSubject: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   09/06/17, 11:22 am

This is quite a long lecture but well worth watching. It is also one of many that have been made over the years, including one for the History Channel which I can't seem to find at the moment.


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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   11/06/17, 11:22 pm


I think this lecturer has not done enough research on some of his mentions.
*Satan being one & the same with Thoth & Shiva.
 -The only way I could see being able to stretch it in order to make this connection is that the Satan that Christians believe in is also called Lucifer. Many people know Lucifer as the bringer of wisdom & enlightenment.  Thoth too is a god of wisdom & knowledge. Shiva is a god (The Pure One) of yoga, meditation and transformation , who can kill the forces of darkness. 
None of them have anything in common with Satan, the evil Devil.
*The upside-down pentagram is a symbol of Satanism not of Lucifer. The Luciferian symbol is the All Seeing Eye.

 There is only one mention of Lucifer (the Hebrew literal translation is "to shine" or "bring light") in the entire bible, found in Isaiah 14:12 (KJV). It seems like it is used as descriptive prose rather than as a name of a person. Shakespeare wrote 6 times that that they are the same, so maybe that's why the popular belief.

I think the theory that the Islam religion was born of Catholicism in order for the Catholic Church to dominate the middle east is an interesting one.
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   18/06/17, 10:18 pm


I don't know how I missed this post of yours Elaine.  I have only just spotted it.

Lucifer as you say is a translation of "Bringer of Light" -  there is only the one passage in the Bible that causes the mix up of Satan and lucifer as being one and the same, which just isn't so.

Throughout the Bible the angel that was thrown to earth is named as Satan or The Devil, often those are used together so there can be no mistake that Satan is the name of the Devil, biblically. 

Except in Isaiah 14:12-15, as you say, where the church assumed that "the morning star or bringer of light" is in conection with the Devil, when in actual fact it's talking about Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon.  He was known as the morning star, bringer of light or of dawn.

It was later that the church came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil.

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   19/06/17, 08:23 am


Thank you for getting back to me Sandy.
Funny that the light bringer, the one who enlightens/gives knowledge, becomes the same as the evil devil. Religion is such a fickle thing
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   19/06/17, 10:15 am

I think this is why the Catholic Church, even to this day, dissuades people from reading the Bible themselves.   If people read the Bible themselves they are then open to seeing just how much the Church has changed the meanings of many passages and added so many man made rules and laws, all in the name of God.

Throughout my life I have met and worked with many Catholics, and have been totally surprised that they haven't even owned a Bible, let alone read it for themselves.  Whereas Christians have always been encouraged to own and read a Bible.  Not that the protestant church is a lot more innocent, because they are very picky about the Bible passages they choose to use in their sermons.   They are sort of deceptive by ommision.  They tend to stick to the 4 gospels, and the old Testament is just told as stories in Sunday schools.  And passages from the book of Revelation I have never heard of being used in a sermon.

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   20/06/17, 03:18 am


It is truth that you speak!
I grew up in a Christian home and my family relied on the preacher instead of studying the bible for themselves. 
Several years after leaving home I read the entire bible, Genesis to Revelations 3 times and did some in depth study with a preacher, especially concerning Solomon, King David & Saul (apostle Paul). As interesting as it can be, I still had reservations about the whole idea of it. The talking horse, burning bush, the virgin birth and other stories are ideas I cannot get along with. For me, Christianity is delusional fantasy. I get that it's a nice way to see life and can help people who have no other purpose and feel they need one, but I'm not one of those folks and don't need to believe in something to feel ok about myself or my life. It did help me through some times but I'm better without it. There are many rules that are put in place by Leaders of the Church that are unfair to those who are hoping to be faithful to the one and only God.
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   20/06/17, 06:38 am

The Bible I love reading but I read it more as a history book, and we all know that distant history is not always perfectly recorded.  Much of what is recorded in the new testament can be backed up by other historical documents recorded by the Romans of the same time period.  So in those cases one can assume that those parts of the Bible are correctly recorded, because if you have the Jews and the Gentiles both recording the same events then chances are that those are all accurate.

Also nowadays we have scientists also proving many of the Old Testament events as highly plausible.  So with those events one can have a lot less scepticism and have fun investigating those more for one's self.

The rest one can then use their own common sense regarding how sceptic or how much to take with a pinch of salt as they feel they need to.

I had to chuckle at your mention of the talking horse because I had totally forgotten that.

But having said that.  Think about this........

If one believes in an almighty creator - and that, that creator created all - and that creator is omnipotent - we have to ask, why couldn't he, if he wanted to, project Himself as a burning bush, or even speak through a donkey.  I think it depends on how much of the supernatural of the existence of God we want to keep an open mind to, if you know what I mean.

What I mean to say is, that we can only believe or not believe certain things by our reasoning of what we see, hear or feel of the natural world and our experiences in this 3 dimensional world we live in.  We have absolutely no idea of what exists that we can't see, hear or feel.

For instance, we know now of the existance of 11 dimensions.  There could be more.  But we only have experience of 3 dimensions.  So if we could say, suddenly evolve enough to see and exist in 4 dimensions, what would we be able to see, hear or feel that we can't now.

Is it possible that there is life that exists in 4 dimensions that exist and are all around us but we just can't see them.  It's the same with the supernatural.  What is there that we can't see.

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   20/06/17, 06:45 am


I definitely agree that if you believe in an almighty creator, you'd have to believe in pretty much anything. I rather like the Luciferian stuff but am still not one to join a cult, Christianity or otherwise. Yay for those who find peace in it though♥
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   20/06/17, 06:52 am

Oh you posted while I was editing my previous post.  I added a few paragraphs at the end.

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   20/06/17, 07:09 am


Oh I so agree!
I am aware of other dimensions and go there as often as possible. there is one that i love very much. I think anyone else would call it 'the void' but for me it is opposite of that. I came upon it looking for the birth of God when I was 6 years old. It is where you stop existing as a single entity and join in the knowledge of all things. so wonderful
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   20/06/17, 07:38 pm


Sandy knows how I feel about the Catholic Church! What a bunch of arrogant, doctrinaire so and so's!

For those of us who have done Astral Travel, they already know about different dimensions!

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   21/06/17, 01:09 am


All I know is, that there are too many questions and not enough answers.

I'm very open minded but at the same time very sceptical.  I never believe anything until I have dug really deep into things and read and heard all sides or experienced things for myself.  I am a natural dectective if you like.

What I find exciting is when science backs up what we consider, supernatural, faith, or spiritual.

For instance there are scientists now experimenting on weighing the soul as it leaves the body and that on the instant of death there is a minute loss of weight as in piont zero zero something.  Geologists have now proven that at some point the whole world was flooded with water (Noah's Flood?) - That where Sodam and Gomorrah once was there is dust made completely of human bones as if a nuclear bomb had been dropped, and so on.

But as for the Catholic Church, in my eyes there is a lot of evidence pointing towards it being a religion deliberately created to gather all those that, at that time, believed in many Gods all under the one umbrella in order to gain power and authority and to wipe out totally true Christianity.  The following of Christ in those days was getting so strong that it was a danger to the authority of that time.

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   21/06/17, 02:23 am


I've been reading some very interesting stuff on cults recently. There are some intriguing ideas out there. Luciferianism, Nihilism, Dark Onto Light etc. Some of take things way too far but I've noticed that at the inception of each of these outlying religions is where their intelligence begins and ends. I don't understand why they ever feel the need for blood sacrifices or such strange ceremonies & practices. That is, if I were to believe everything I read. I must say I do love to know about philosophies of all kinds. I can waste an entire day delving into just one idea, lol
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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   21/06/17, 04:17 am


I love reading up on philosophies of all kinds too Elaine and have always had a fascination with all that.


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For instance there are scientists now experimenting on weighing the soul as it leaves the body ...

Sandy as I told you in one of our Skype chats, I have seen the soul rise when a person dies and I find it "funny" that only when scientists come out with their observations, the world will believe it!

So many people have stated and/or proven that certain things are real, only to be shot down by the so called scientists/specialist in that field. Then years later those same scientists come out with their observations and all of a sudden it is real!!!

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   24/06/17, 10:46 am

I too spend whole days listening to lectures or reading up on scientific papers.  I can't say I bother with these wierd and wonderful cults that are around though. 

You mentioning blood sacrifices though.  I don't know if you are aware that the Jews are hoping to build the 3rd temple in Jerusalem.  It is beginning to look, surprising as it may seem, that, that might actually happen in our life time.

Now if they do, you can bet your life they will once again start up with the Old Testament blood sacrifices.  Because don't forget that the Jews do not recognise that Jesus dying on the cross replaced the sacrifices of old because they don't recognise him as the Christ.

The trouble with scientists up until recently is that they have always had totally closed minds to anything supernatural.  Now of course most of their old theories are being disproved and they are now looking for answers in another directions. 

I wonder how many more of the medical professionals have seen that Martha, but kept their mouths shut for fear of being disbelieved.

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PostSubject: Re: The Islamic and Roman Catholic Connection   24/06/17, 02:46 pm

Oh there are many more who witness that I have no doubt about that Sandy but as you pointed out, most will keep their mouths shut for fear of being disbelieved or thought to have lost the plot.

I say it again .... religion ... any for that matter ... causes nothing but trouble and we will never see the end of wars as long as this dominates in the world.

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